Comments from the discussion:
Hess edited Mein Kampf and was more responsible for its contents than Hitler
- The rod and axe bound together was the symbol of Italian fascism
- The significance of the axe was that a military/police apparatus would be unleashed against the population to punish recalcitrants; the rod indicated non-lethal punishment
Does Trump have the same kind of force that Hitler did?
- His generals are fading away
- He is no friend of the FBI
Mussolini was first to experiment with fascism – This was at about the same time as the resurgence of the KKK in 1915, and a racial factor was present from the beginning
- He invaded Ethiopia first
- Albright does not have a very strong analysis of racism and fascism
- Hitler in Mein Kampf speaks of the horrors of being shot by a black man
- Are his supporters ground for developing fascism? Current estimates are that he has support of 90% of Republicans
- Congress won’t let him take control of the military
- There seems to be so much upheaval – can the chaos be tamed?
- Checks and balances make it impossible for him to establish fascism
- Fascism requires not only people on the street but also those in power who want to see it happen
- We shouldn’t worry about Trump as about Romney, who represents the power-elite and may regain control of the Republican Party.
- No one wants Trump to be responsible for our nuclear future
- Trump is merely a side-show. The Republicans have the state legislatures and the ability to control people and produce wealth.
Fascists don’t take power; they are given power.
- They make the deals – don’t touch the king, but take care of the strikes
- Hitler never won a popular vote, but Hindenburg asked him to crush the Communists.
The role of liberals is to roll over.
- People with a strong counter-narrative resist.
- Biden on the other hand mocked the six people who voted against Trump’s election when the Congress approved the report of the Electoral College.
- Hitler intimidated the legislative branch when he consolidated his power. Trump had the same option but failed, so that route is no longer open to him.
Countries that developed the strongest fascism were the least democratic.
A lot depends on the economy – especially the job market. Will citizens get the jobs, or will they be replaced by immigrants?
- Routine jobs no longer exist
- Most job growth is in the cities
- Employers can no longer find as many candidates as they need for low-paying jobs, and they are looking for visas for their foreign workers
- The economy has been favorable for Trump. It is not where his criticism is coming from now.
- Whereas the economy is described as strong, it doesn’t look that way to everyone.
- The statistics are not accurate. The jobs that people have are not steady or 40 hours a week.
“It’s the economy, Stupid” is no longer valid
- We are all still wage slaves, and the middle class has disappeared.
- Economic statistics are propaganda. The media constantly feed us information about the stock market. The corruption of the press needs to be filtered.
- With driver-less vehicles, drivers will no longer be needed. What then will all these workers do
- Reagonomics and neo-liberalism have got to go.
According to Lenin, it is class struggle that moves us forward. Historical theism views the necessity of pulling the arc of the universe to justice. The worst illusion is that it can’t happen here.
Plato’s view of the deterioration of democracy: First the people will have a protector, then a tyrant; then there will be war, and the people will need a leader.
Disagree about the press – the future depends on things we can’t predict.
How do we do the “dance” that makes both the micro and macrosociety healthy?
We need the capacity to do critical thinking.
Everything depends on a sense of community
- We need political involvement
- We need to build a movement behind the people we put in office
- We need to look in a more objective way at how others who may disagree with us feel.